this is the political environment that we live in. and up fortunately, it affects these issues which are incredibly emotional and after newtown, even more so. >> let's turn to immigration. >> the devil is in the details again. we understand after recess, that congressional leaders are supposed to take it up. if not, we understand, if there is some kind of slowdown or impasse, that there is a plan b here at the white house. the president has something ready to hand in a legislation on immigration reform. he wants this to happen this year. and we understand that will happen and just the last couple of days, we understand the president and senior administration officials have been calling leaders on the hill to make sure about other things as well. but to make sure this immigration issue is moving forward. >> chris, what will be the most contentious part of immigration reform? will it be the citizenship issue? >> absolutely. it is the definition of what amnesty is, if you will. this is where i think the distinction without a difference.